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July 19 2014
It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder.
I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn’t it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?
That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies on the shot down plane were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we have to go with for the initial clue, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.
July 19 updates are below this top posted report, which is being kept on top because it is the smoking gun. Scroll down to the headline July 19 for the latest
Military Commander: Passengers dead long before plane took off
MH17 all but completely proven to be flight 370
July 18 2014
The bodies were dead for days before the flight and smelling of rot according to top military commander at the scene, which would be expected if they were actually from flight 370. They would have been loaded on the plane dead to make sure no one could speak about what went on.
From the Washington Times:
“MOSCOW — A top pro-Russia rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has given a bizarre version of events surrounding the Malaysian jetliner crash — suggesting many of the victims may have died days before the plane took off. The pro-rebel website Russkaya Vesna on Friday quoted Igor Girkin as saying he was told by people at the crash site that “a significant number of the bodies weren’t fresh,” adding that he was told they were drained of blood and reeked of decomposition.”
My comment: This strongly supports MH370 as being the real shoot down plane, with all passengers dead long before and probably being taken off of ice and loaded into the plane for final disposal. If a body is already dead before a crash, crash damage will not show up the same way it will with live bodies. This is probably why so many of the bodies in the wreckage do not show serious burns or blood. A good example of this effect is to take a piece of chicken and throw it in a hot pan for a few seconds. If you remove it from the hot pan within a short time, it will look totally uncooked. Yet if you put your hand on that hot pan for even half a second, it will be badly burned, and show it. Live flesh shows injury easily because of the way living cells respond to injury. If the bodies were dead for days and possibly loaded onto the plane well chilled it would explain a lot about their relatively undamaged appearance in the wreckage.
Additionally, MH17 returned immediately to normal flight schedules after this shoot down, and I beg to question HOW if a real MH17 plane was lost. The only incomplete flight is the shoot down flight. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks after the jet supporting it disappeared, why not the same scenario for MH17 if it really did get shot down? Answer: The shot down plane was the disposal of flight 370, being reported as MH17 to cover it up thus leaving MH17 in a position to return to normal immediately. Dead men tell no tales? Perhaps if they are NOT LOADED ONTO A PLANE ROTTEN.
As I suspected, MH17 is NOT supposed to over fly Eastern Ukraine
MH17 flies over Western Ukraine because the curvature of the earth makes flying over a small portion of Western Ukraine the shortest route. And I calculated that, only to be put off by a piece of disinfo which showed the flight path accomodating this “shoot down”. MH17 indeed does not fly a straight line by appearances on a map, but it also does not curve extremely far east as now shown on disinfo sites to accomodate the “official” story. And someone else nailed this, and it ended up in my mail box.
If it was MH17 that was shot down over Torez, it was 200 km north of its published route. It doesn’t fly over the eastern land border between Ukraine and Russia. It crosses the Ukrainian coast at Berdyansk to fly over the Sea of Azov towards Primorsko-Akhtarsk.
What time was it allegedly shot down? How come it disappeared from trackers in west Ukraine and and appears to have traveled about 1000 km into eastern Ukraine some 200 km off route without being challenged by Ukrainian authorities?
Hmmm very odd, in the time taken to send my earlier message and to compose this update, FlightAware’s data has been updated to show the aircraft in East Ukraine. Fortunately I have earlier screenshots of both before and after FlightAware data.
A new data entry for 2:19 puts it at 48.1N 38.5E roughly around Donestk / Torez. There is no data for the intervening hour. Why was it so far off route? What was the reason for the lack of tracking data? All the earlier MH17 flights I have checked route even further south.
Something’s fishier than a barrel full of rotting fish.
MY COMMENT: YEP. AS FISHY AS MISSING FLIGHT 370. I knew it! Eastern Ukraine is NOT the correct flight path for the real MH17, which is why MH17 is now flying perfectly on schedule again! a different 777 was used for this. UPDATE: This got expunged and no longer exists. I suggest people verify for themselves, flight MH17 DOES NOT GO TO WHERE THIS SHOOT DOWN HAPPENED, NOT EVEN WITHIN 175 KILOMETERS OF WHERE IT HAPPENED. I called this on day one, only to be railroaded by B.S. put up ahead of time to no doubt stifle any search for the flight path for MH17. That alone is a smoking gun, this was set up well in advance.
My estimation of earth curvature had MH17 passing over a very small portion of Western Ukraine, never getting within 250 KM of Russia. I sure would like to see the published route, but the page it was on has BEEN REMOVED. Censorship is ruling the day, more so with this than any other event so far.
Selective censorship of MH17 coverage speaks volumes
Whoever controls the internet is swapping out screen captures I have posted with alternative images that have completely different file names and are not even on my server. I cannot stop this from happening, if anything conflicts the text will have to do. This is HUGE, and the swap outs have been done to linked tweets, linked testimony of witnesses, and screen captures which strongly indicate that MH17 never took off on July 17, and therefore a different plane had to have been used. This would slam dunk the 100 dead aids doctors story, which I think is BOGUS.
I seriously think the 100 dead doctors story is disinfo, in fact I am going to CALL IT. However, it is going to be huge so I have to at least mention it: 100 top aids researchers were on flight MH17 but keep in mind that counter stories that are really likely to go viral will be launched to muddy the waters with anything such as the downing of flight 370. I would be aware of this but skeptical. 100 doctors? HOW BIG IS THAT CONFERENCE, IF IT STUFFED 100 DOCTORS FROM A SMALL COUNTRY ONTO A SINGLE PLANE DAYS BEFORE THE CONFERENCE? I CALL B.S. from that alone!
July 19 coverage starts here
Do not forget Gaza, which this shoot down was in part used for to occupy the news with something else
AIDS Microbiologists on MH17 story a HOAX!
As I suspected, when a major Australian paper reported that 100 top aids researchers were on MH17, the story was a hoax. As it turns out, the official airline serving the conference is Emirates Airlines, which is offering steep discounts on air travel to the conference, and is listed as the official airline serving the conference. This puts the 100 dead microbiologists on A SINGLE MALAYSIA AIRLINES FLIGHT that in reality left too early anyway into the HOAX category, FIGURE THE ODDS.
John wrote: Predictive programming for MH17 on “The Strain”
Hollywood famous Guillermo del Toro directed & wrote the season premiere of “The Strain” which aired on July 13th on FX (Fox owned network) just 4 days before MH-17. In the episode a BOEING jetliner arrives @ JFK from Europe with everyone dead on board, drained of blood & already decomposing.
My comment: Just like the bodies on crashed “mh17”. Also see this: The exact true scenario for 911 was released by FOX six months before 911, predictive programming has also occurred on other occasions so this does not surprise me at all
I read your articles, but you never said what happened to the people on the real MH 17? Wouldn’t it just make another load of bodies to get rid of?
That is a big mystery we do not have the answer to. However, we do have ONE ANSWER: The bodies were rotten and obviously dead for days. That is what we can go with, lack of answers elsewhere does not change that.
MH17 Keeps flying on schedule despite “shoot down”
Something new came in today, which makes me want to once again pop a HUGE question: Why is MH17 flying as if nothing happened after this shoot down, when after flight 370 vanished, flight 370 did not resume for WEEKS? The answer is obvious, and that is that the shot down plane was in fact flight 370. The rotted bodies prove it, and A HUGE piece of additional information came in today which is another SMOKING GUN – Tobia wrote:
“Wondering what the deal is with the picture that the Dutch man supposedly took at Schipholi before departure, mentioning “This is how the plane looks like in case it disappears” (or something like that)? You can clearly see part of the serial number on the front landing gear hatch: it says RC, which should be part of the nr 9MMRC, a MH17 clone plane that according to flightradar24 departed for Kuala Lumpur on the 11th, and since then no flight at all.”
Answer: The plane used for the shoot down was NOT MH17, and this is all a setup. Errors like this are made by psyop teams who forget to factor in every possible variable.
I have a woman writing me saying a friend of a friend was on that plane, and is now missing. And I do not believe it. If Military commanders said the bodies were rotten at the moment of crash, this means dead for days before this shoot down, and no friend of hers was on that plane. It is said dead men tell no tales, but in this case, when they are rotten three hours after takeoff that statement is a blunder. I hate to sound harsh, but as Glenn Beck, who trashed the Philip Wood report would have it, Philip Wood is now dead. The enemy of all of us resides within the mainstream media.
It has been anounced that because rebels got to the crash first, NO ANALYSIS OF THE CRASH CAN BE DONE.
How convenient. Let me tell you why no analysis can be done. Because Ukraine is totally zionist controlled, and they do not want answers getting out. These answers will be provided by serial numbers on all the parts. Flight 370 was a brand spankin new aircraft, at a little under two years old. And it would be impossible to dispose of. You might be able to go through it and rob the aluminum and get that recycled without anyone pegging you, but what about the landing gear, hydraulic pumps, fuel pumps, engines or anything else? Those parts would have been impossible to dispose of because they are all tracked via serial number and the serial numbers are all tracked to the plane they came from. The only way to ditch flight 370 would be to do so in a war zone in a totally controlled puppet state where you could blame circumstances for the inability to conduct a proper investigation. I guess you could also ditch it at sea, but there are satellites, RUSSIAN SATELLITES that could nail you doing it.
July 18 2014
Pa Namby wrote:
“.. of air crashes. No images of people asking for fate, complaining, crying, etc. Usually the first air disasters coverage is reporting on familiar’s reactions. I have seen nothing…have you?”
My response: Good point. The families of flight 370 already did that!
One huge problem is that flight MH17 resumed as usual with the only missing flight being the shoot down, which by itself is very strange considering the nature of the shoot down. Flight 370 was canceled for weeks so I beg to question why MH17 continued without a hiccup if it really had been shot down. But since the report about the doctors and the aids conference is in the rounds, I at least have to mention it, though I doubt it. There is too much other evidence to the contrary, such as MH17 IS ALREADY ON SCHEDULE AGAIN.
Here is the most heavily censored event, and the background on it
Fighter jet escorts reveal the real story: FINAL – Spanish Air Controller @ Kiev Borispol Airport: Ukraine Military Shot Down Boeing #MH17
Immediately after the shoot down, foreign people entered the control tower at Kiev Borispol Airport which was monitoring flight MH17 and removed the normal workers and started doing their jobs. These “replacements by force” were obviously put there to front the official story. The normal control tower staff then reported the presense of two fighter jet escorts via Twitter. These tweets were subsequently removed by Twitter. However, the normal tower staff has successfully gotten through to various honest news outlets such as THIS ONE, which has had this link vanish from this site for some readers. If the link is not visible check back later and I will have a capture here. If these people succesfully speak, the fact that “MH17” was under fighter jet escort will not be buried by Twitter or any replacement staff.
Flight departure times are inconsistent, and one major web site showed MH17 as canceled on the 17th.
If flight MH17 really took off, it would have had an agreed upon departure time. But three news outlets released 3 different departure times, which strongly indicates the flight never happened and a different 777 was shot down. And anyone could safely bet the now zio zombie Ukraine would dispose of flight 370 for a military perk from the U.S.
It is highly probable that flight 370 was substituted out, zombie flown either via remote by both fighter jets or by pre programmed autopilot with the transponder programmed to identify it as MH17, with all original passengers aboard and possibly other undesirables, and then shot down by the fighter jet escorts. Buk missiles produce a very noticeable plume, and no one documented any. In the day of cell phone cams, I would say zero documentation of something so noticeable means no missile launch. This points the finger at the fighter jet escorts which have always been completely scrubbed from the mainstream media and would do the dirty work at an altitude too high for any witnesses. And with Ukraine now operating as a zio proxy state, any investigation of the debris will be carried out “appropriately”.
Obviously this is all guessing, but when we have an established media that is well proven to do nothing but lie with events such as this, a guess is better than practically anything the media would spew. One unanswered question is how the originating airport could be kept quiet about this, BUT if an intermediate tower not associated with the initial takeoff could be silenced about what they saw, and this was a very important psy op, I am certain the correct arrangements would be made at the originating location to keep a lid on this, which leaves the only other venue of proof being one documented cancellation on a flight tracker site, and numerous media errors regarding departure time.
If a departure for MH17 happened, only ONE time would be logged, yet within a short time I found 3, at 14 minutes, 15 minutes and 31 minutes past the hour (compensate yourself for time zone.) This inconsistency is practically bullet proof evidence no flight departure time was ever actually recorded, if a real departure happened all news sources would have the same departure time. This has all been preserved on this site in other posts farther down the page, they cannot go back and change them and get away with it.
So what actually happened as far as I see it?
The originating tower was re-staffed at least temporarily with people who would keep a secret about what really went on at the airport. Flight370 was remote flown or flown out via pre programmed autopilot with a transponder identifying it as MH17. It then received two fighter jet escorts when far enough away from the originating airport to not arouse suspicion and these fighter escorts for the most part stayed close enough to conceal their radar signature and provide “pilot feedback” from pilot absent zombie flown flight 370. At the appropriate time it was shot down.
HOW APPROPRIATE WAS THE TIMING OF THIS SHOOT DOWN? So appropriate it perfectly corresponded with the start of a massive Israeli ground assault on Gaza to divert public attention to something else. That is the FINAL red flag here, it is such a huge red flag it blocks out the sky above all other reason.
So, in short: MH370 was disposed of because it had to be gotten rid of, and it was done in a way that diverted news away from a huge assault on Gaza and as a bonus gave Russia a black eye. Milk it every way they can, by way of deception thou shalt do war, and though obviously none of this will ever be “officially” documented, the logic certainly fits.
And a final nail – MH17 is proceeding as normal, with normal flights THE DAY AFTER. When MH370 vanished, that route was cancelled FOR WEEKS. WHAT IS UP WITH THAT? Is anyone out there really stupid enough to believe business as usual would resume the the next scheduled flight after a genuine loss of an aircraft that flies anywhere near a war zone? That next scheduled flight is LANDING IN MALAYSIA THE DAY AFTER ON SCHEDULE AS I WRITE THIS, and I beg to question WHY. Is anyone out there gullible enough to buy the notion of business as usual after a genuine unexpected shoot down, or perhaps more importantly, the loss of two IDENTICAL 777 aircraft from the SAME AIRLINE within 4 months? FIGURE THE ODDS.
For the information hounds out there, Nodisinfo retracted their hoax report most likely on word that the bodies were dead long before the flight took off, which explained too many of the anomalies they noted.
July 17 2014
Strong emperical evidence Israel shot down plane
Plane shoot down: approximately 14:15 UTC. Israeli assault on Gaza: 14:00 UTC. See a connection there? And when you consider the fact that it took time to confirm the downing, the two times actually match even more closely. Israel’s assault on Gaza is viewed badly by the world community, what better way to bury it in the news than a plane shoot down, complete with the threat of a war with Russia?
And even if Russian forces did do this, it only takes a couple Jews among them to cause something like this. In my opinion it is case closed regarding this, with the only question being: was this used as cover for disposal of flight 370? Come on now, TWO MALAYSIA 777 AIRCRAFT IN 4 MONTHS? YEAH RIGHT. Any three year old would catch that B.S. if it involved airplane cookies instead.
UPDATE: Flightradar24.com now shows flight MH17 taking off ON TIME (July 18.) Yet when flight 370 vanished, it took weeks to resume. So either Malaysia airlines has multiple planes on this route, or they did not lose one. AND EVEN WITH THE NEW DEPARTURE TIME ESTIMATED, THE OLD DEPARTURE TIME FOR JULY 17 IS NOT LISTED AND THE FLIGHT STILL SHOWS AS CANCELED.
UPDATE: BUSTED: High level tampering with this web site over MH17 DOCUMENTED. If I log in to administer this web site, and I click the front page link to Flightradar24, I get This version of events, yet if I am not logged in to administer this site and hit the page like a random user, Flightradar switches the page served to THIS PAGE And they show a departure time of 10:31. Why then does this WIKIPEDIA report show the departure time as 10:14? THEY HAVE SCREWED UP AND DID NOT GET THE TIMES STRAIGHT IN THIS FALSE FLAG. PEOPLE HOP ON THIS AND GET AS MANY CONFLICTING TIMES AS POSSIBLE DOCUMENTED.
CONFIRMED:Flightradar24.com is messing with results and screwed up a non existent departure time as proven by THE MSM. This inconsistency first noticed in a Wikipedia post is not a false edit or mistake
Keep in mind it is the minutes that matter here because time zones vary. 10:31 does not equal 6:15 no matter where you are on the globe, and for the record, this now confirms 3 different departure times, proof of a B.S. departure and re-enforcement of the possibility this really was the disposal of flight 370.
Shoot down now confirmed and therefore top posted
Gaza carnage has disappeared from the news over this shoot down, is this a secondary motive?
Judging from what is happening now, I am going to un officially call it – Flight 370 has been disposed of, Russia will be blackballed, and ISRAEL DID IT ALL, because under the waves generated by this shoot down story The ground invasion of Gaza has started and there is not a PEEP in the MSM about it. how convenient!
Heads up: Flightradar24.com which is the defining site for flight history says MH17 was canceled and never departed, with no departure time listed. Hmmm . . . . . Good cover for flight 370? Not enough substance to make a call on that one, but this is something to make note of at least. The site is down now, possibly overwhelmed? That is OK, I got a photograph of this.
And keep in mind that it is all in a blender now, with the necessary lies being told to bury this connection. Someone already has a Wiki up with the entire story including departure time, but no legitimate travel site site I came across in two hours searching actually listed it.
UPDATE: Flight “MH17” was being escorted by two fighter jets up until shoot down, which would be PERFECT if it was in fact a zombie flight 370 under remote control to its final death. This is covered more farther down the page.
Malaysia airlines MH17 777 flight 370 clone from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpoor shot down at border between Ukraine and Russia
A malaysian jet flying from Amsterdam to Kuala Lumpur was shot down by either Russia or Ukraine. The plane has now been declared shot down, and the media is doing its best to blame Russia. What a GREAT WAY to dispose of flight 370 if Flightradar24.com is actually right about this!
And speaking about false flags, remember that Flight 370 clone in Tel Aviv? and do not forget about the 777 that was stopped by the Dutch from crashing the nuclear summit right after flight 370 vanished, as this web site predicted was likely to happen.
Missile system identified
The jet was shot down by a BUK missile. The American press is being quick to blame Russia, but is failing to mention that Ukraine had a large supply of these. And that says a lot – it pretty much proves that 1. The Ukraine uprising had American/Israeli roots and that 2. the real goal is war with Russia, after all if it was not, why struggle to blame them?
Video of smoke from crash
Interesting tidbit – Planes first flight was on July 17 1997 and was shot down on the anniversary of TWA flight 800 . . .
McCain: “HELL TO PAY” if plane shot down
Sure a lot of debris from this Malaysian airlines flight. Why so little for flight 93 in Pennsylvania?
Usually the media will scrub body pics from crash photos, not true with this photo and I beg to question why? These types of photos in crashes never make it out, and I have now confirmed multiple news sources are posting these. WHY NOW? The media is quick to blame Russia for this, but I doubt it was Russia when this plane was shot 50 miles inside of Ukraine. But then again what about those three Israeli teens? This could be “useful” . . . . .
CONFIRMED BY MULTIPLE SUPPORTING TWEETS: Air traffic controller claims plane was being escorted by two Ukrainian fighter jets right before shoot down. That is worth adding to the mix.
When so much is “known” about what went on so soon after any event, a false flag is virtually guranteed. With Russia already being blamed in the MSM, I suggest people consider a different culprit. And what about that fighter jet escort? Identities can be spoofed, and two jets would be perfect for remote controlling flight 370 to its death – they have to get rid of it anyway, why not like this?
Here is a quote from a forum that says it all:
“The debris is still smoking, and the liar MSM has ALL the answers already? (including the type missile “used”?). How? Again: HOW? Fox News was there??
The truly stupid dupe here is YOU swallowing the MSM bullshit hook, line and sinker. Obviously, you are utterly unable to THINK; you stick your stupid face on the TV screen and swallow all the garbage coming through, without an ounce of critical thinking.”
I agree exactly. The reporting has all the hallmarks of 911 reporting, where the “target” was named and convicted on DAY ONE. THAT is the biggest indicator that this was indeed a false flag.
Additional info as it comes in (copy paste links)
I found something else interesting about this. Flight 777 was being escorted by 2 Ukrainian fighter jets until just before the “disappearance.” The air traffic control tower was then taken over by foreign personnel.
I watched CNN this morning and saw the story about the shoot down. They are already saying it was Russia who did it without providing a single piece of proof, NOT EVEN A MOTIVATION or reason for them to shoot it down, and claiming they know it was Russia, long before they even knew where the damned plane wreckage was! They were also claiming they lost contact with it at the Eastern border of Ukraine, yet somehow knew it went down in the Eastern areas, yet somehow did not know where the plane was?
You want to know why the plane “lost contact?” Because an American AWACS system jammed its communications so there was no evidence when it was shot down by Ukraine to provide a pretext to go to war with Russia. This is exactly what happened, anything else is a lie!
My comment: Good info there. One question about those “Ukraine jets” which could have been spoofed in as cover for American jets? What about them as an escort for flight 370? Would that not be ideal for remote control to its death?